The Iraq memory Foundation is a non-governmental group that was established by a number of Iraqi former exiles to document the 25 years of miseries Iraq and the Iraqis had lived under the rule of the Baath party and Saddam Hussein. One of the projects this foundation is working on is to document testimonies of Iraqis who have suffered torture or lost relatives to the brutal regime of Hussein. I have got a pack of five DVDs telling stories of about 40 Iraqis. Here, I will tell some of these stories to participate in telling the world our dark history of more than three decades.
He Knows His Father Only By Pictures!
Khalida Mutafa and her husband, Yousif al-Khateeb, have lived happily outside Iraq. There only, the story tells us, is that Khateeb was a member of the communist party, which was banned in Iraq since the bath party got into power in the late 1960s.The couple have left Iraq to Hungary when Yousif decided to study abroad. He escaped an assassination attempt there. A car drove by Khateeb and shot at him, Mustafa said. Later on they discovered that the car belonged to the Iraqi embassy in Hungary.
“They wanted to kill every honest Iraqi who opposed them,” Mustafa said while fighting her tears back. Her eyes sparkled with tears whenever she mentioned her husband.
In 1979, Khateeb talked to his wife about Iraq. He didn’t tell her what he was planning, going back to Iraq in disguise. He told her that they should continue “serving the party and Iraq,” she said in her Mosul dialect. She stammered, sighed, and wiped away the tears. She was devastated when she was telling the story, but bravely continued. They kept talking about serving Iraq for a week, but Mustafa didn’t know what for.
“I didn’t even farewell him,” Mustafa recalled. “He left, but I don’t know where to,” she said and broke into tears again.
Twenty seven years have passed, but the wife and the son are still in shock. Baseem, the son, was only nine months when his father left to the unknown. Baseem doesn’t have a visual memory of his father. He only knows that a man called Yousif al-Khateeb once lived and he is his biological father. Pictures are the only evidence for the son that this man existed.
Six months after Khateeb secretly flew into Iraq, he was arrested with 57 other communist party members. Members of the party in Hungary contacted Mustafa to tell her that her husband was arrested in Iraq. He was arrested in 1979 and she never heard from him or about him ever since.
“I don’t know if he was melted in acid or killed or if his body is in a mass grave.”
Baseem, the son, grew in an environment where all the people around him talked about a missing father who might have been killed or talked about arrested people. The impact of this environment was obvious on the child. When he was asked to draw something in the elementary school, Mustafa said, he always drew bars and a man behind them. “He always claimed ‘this is my father,’ she said.
When one of his birthdays approached, he said, his mother asked him what he wanted as a gift.
“Give me money only,” he replied to his mother. “I wanted to get something to remind me of him,” Baseem said of his father. “I wanted it to be with me all my life and show people that I love my father even though I didn’t see him.”
Baseem tattooed his father’s picture on his right hand. A gift he gave to himself in his birthday. He lost his father once but will never lose his face from now on.
“I missed him so much,” Mustafa said “when I sleep, I look at his side of the bed and see it empty. It is not easy for a woman to lose a husband.”
When Saddam Hussein was toppled, Mustafa was nailed before the TV to watch the moment when Hussein’s statue was downed.
“It was a delight when the statue, which stayed for 35 years, was downed,” she recalled in joyful tone, “but I still don’t know anything about my husband.”
At 2:03 AM, 
24, first off, that was a very good post. I know that the Iraqis that were against Hussein had it very hard indeed.
As an interesting aside, the 1963 purging of the Communists was undertaken in cooperation with the CIA, who provided Hussein with lists of Iraqis that had to be killed. The head of the ME CIA James Critchfield said "We regarded it as a great victory. We really had the t's crossed on what was happening" -from Con Coughlin's book, "Saddam, the Secret Life"
Zarqawi’s reported to be dead.
So what does this mean, exactly?
Being somebody who has always been on the skeptical side about the effectiveness of Zarqawi, and indeed, the continued ability of Zarqawi to breathe after he was killed so many times before (Mosul, Qaim etc) I’m inclined to think that his usefulness as a propaganda ploy finally came to an end and the US decided to close the show down. That the man existed is without a doubt true. That he is dead is certain … although whether he was killed yesterday or taken out of cold storage yesterday is debatable. It’s also debatable that this man was everything the US said he was, given that the US has admitted it built him up through PSYOPS propaganda to seem more terrifying than he was.
And there are still discrepancies in the story. For example:
Killing al-Zarqawi: End of a Pentagon-Dairat al-Mukhabarat Collaboration?
Wayne Madsen – Information Liberation – 8 June 2006
“Zarqawi was a lieutenant of strict Wahhabi Islam adherent Osama Bin Laden. However, why Zarqawi would have had tattoos is baffling. Islam specifically forbids tattoos. According to Islamic texts, the Prophet Mohammed forbade tattooing… Of course, like the al-Zarqawi wearing a gold ring (also forbidden for devout Muslims), the al-Zarqawi sporting tattoos probably was not and never was a Wahhabi Muslim.”
( And I want to see if he did, in fact, magically regrow his wooden leg, that the US intel said he had. )
Nevertheless, IF we take the DoD story at face value, what conclusions can be drawn?
Firstly, that the US military is either a bunch of morons or that they are not serious about eradicating “radical terrorists”. If you have the location fixed of the leader of an extremely elusive network which you have been struggling to penetrate for three years, you DON’T bomb him. Bombing is reserved for the cannon fodder. You capture him ALIVE, so that you can get him to spill the beans on the network structure. That’s the way that networks are taken apart.
If we take the US portrayal of Zarqawi’s network at face value, is there any reason to believe that these people will stop fighting? Short answer: no. What will happen is that they will scatter and start afresh. In other words, the elimination of Zarqawi means nothing in the long run. In fact, it makes it even harder to keep a lid on the fanatics. This is another ‘tipping point’ along the lines of the capture of Saddam.
My personal opinion is that it’s high time that the Iraqi Emmanuel Goldstein show came to an end. He had lost all credibility as a bogeyman. The only question is who he will be replaced by.
And if, perchance , this stinking red herring is in fact a plump tuna, then I doubly welcome his elimination.
Zarqawi never did anything for the Iraqi people and their liberation from Occupation. He spent more time working out how to kill Iraqi Shia than Americans. He spilt more Iraqi blood and contributed more to Iraqi disunity than anything else. Every action of his was more to the American advantage, through alienating the main sections of the Iraqi populace from the resistance, than to the advantage of Iraqi patriots. He gave the Iraqi Resistance a really bad name, and the US tried all it could to lump him together with the legitimate resistance.
Good riddance, I say.
At 6:41 AM,
24,very touching post . very sad indeed.
bruno, i don't know if you caught billmon's The Abu Zarqawi Hour i linked to on the last thread, worth checking out
here's a similar take supported by a msm link.
there seems to be lots of enthusiasm for his death on the rightwing blogs but according to the latest msnbc poll only 26 %(bush's base) here in the US think it will make any impact on the violence
At 1:53 PM,
Let's not let some good news get in the way of feeling miserable eh folks? Or is it that we can't acknowledge a coalition (or Iraqi) victory of any kind? Good grief.
And please, take off the tinfoil hats and recognize that Zarqawi was not some CIA creation or Pentagon ghost. He was a truly brutal terrorist leader who financed/planned/inspired horrible atrocities against humanity and cut off heads with his own hands. I know it is hard for some to admit but there is true evil in this world and the snuffing out of at least one personification of it is a good thing (please try to contain your eagerness to point out the evil of America/CIA/US troops/GWB - thanks).
And speaking of evil - and to respond to 24's actual blog - Saddam truly was an Arab Hitler or Mao. I am sure we will be learning of his atrocities for years to come. A new book by Bernard Kouchner - of the radical right-wing organization Doctor's w/o Borders - details the atrocities committed by Saddam which resulted in 2 million deaths and 4 million forced into exile. The world is better off with him behind bars and one day he will be joining Zarqawi in hell.
Now all I have to do is sit back and wait for [insert name here] to tell me how America was responsible for all of it! Just like America is responsible for every horrible thing ever to take place ever! (Have you heard the one about the CIA secretly supporting Stalin in building an Atomic bomb in order to justify spending on the military industrial complex...)
I know it is hard for some to admit but there is true evil in this world
you've got to be kidding me, as if we could forget. the propaganda is never ending. what, w/the huge oversized gold lamme framed picture of the dead guy?
terra terra islamic terra big Z. "the most successful propanganda in the war on terra!" says the military top dog. we read the papers, enough w/foxs constant drumbeat.
first we have decades of russian communists under our mattresses and now the entire ME is one hot bed of muslim evil!
evil doesn't have a race or religeon tex, it's an equal opportunity offender.you already knew that, right?
At 12:23 AM,
annie
Your familly probably did not live under Stalin, my familly did, so do not talk about things you do not know.
Stalin was evil, and Sadam was evil.
Some people equate Bush and americans to communists or nazis, they are in my view crazy. I wish they went back in time and went to live during the time Stalin ruled russia.
Fox may talk propaganda but not everything that fox or CNN talks about is a lie. And it seems to me that you are throwing out baby with the water.
anonymous
what are you talking about? Religious crusade? position of disrespect? Catholic religious crusades were long time ago, now the only ones talking about religious crusades are people talking about jihad. Disrespect? How could we be respectful to people who are disrespectful to us.
24 steps
Zarqawi death may not change much, but I think it is at least a step in the right direction.
Fox may talk propaganda but not everything that fox or CNN talks about is a lie.
never said it was. everyone here who thinks we have a fair and balanced media say aye.
it seems to me that you are throwing out baby with the water.
why? because i object to spending millions and millions of the tax payers money on fake news both in the US and Iraq?
are you defending info warfare? what baby do you think i am throwing out. please provide a quote..
stalin was dead by the time i was born. don't forget communism also brought us the maccarthy era and the politics of fear. my reference was the relation of propaganda w/regards to keeping americans in their place and fermenting fear.
do not talk about things you do not know.
do not take my words out of context. i know we were bred to fear russia. do not tell me what i can and cannot talk about.
At 2:57 AM, 
24 Steps to Liberty
ella,
you are right. it is a step in the right direction. NO, i might say it is a huge step in that direction. but still, it wouldnt change a thing. i hope you get me. i meant that his killing in specific wouldnt change, because the change taks more than one snake to kill! it takes to purify the whole jungle of Zarqawi's kind inside and outside the Iraqi government.
At 9:57 AM,
annie
My familiy did not live under McCarthy, they lived under Stalin in communist country. I did live for a short time under communist regime and believe me, I know from other side of my family who lived abroad that people in the West did not wanted to believe the danger Stalin and his ilk represented to the West. You said you were bred to be afraid of communists, you were bred right, the communist ideology was the one to be afraid of.
I am afraid that the same is happening now with jihadists some of whom wanted to bomb Toronto of all things. People disregard the danger their ideology is representing. Politics of fear, but not of paralysis, is sometimes right, you need to be afraid of people who try to bomb innocent Canadians.
If you are thinking about fair and balanced press, you believe in fairies. Press never is balanced , neither western nor ME nor Chineese nor so called alternative press. They all make propaganda including the alternative press.
24 steps
I know what you want to say. I am afraid you are right and the violence will not stop with the death of Zarkawi. I only hope that his death will cut flow of the funds to some of the terrorists.
I think that it is difficult to close "pandora box" and some people for different reasons do not want to close it.
Take care 24, try to stay safe.
i never said i was bred to fear communism.
i said we were bred to fear russia.
nice try tho,is this your specialty?
spinning someones thoughts
If you are thinking about fair and balanced press, you believe in fairies.
me, whatever gave you this impression? oh, i know, you never had this impression, you're just trying to make everything i say the opposite of you say for the sake of argument. loverly. might as well throw a little stalin in for good measure.
fighting communism by fermenting fear of russians is akin to fighting jihadists by fermneting fear of arabs and muslims.
speaking of fear i hear ramadi is getting falluja'd.there haven't been any news stories here. i would appreciate any news of this.when the story of z dies down maybe the story will break.
my heart goes out to all of you living this hell
A Vision
This Iraq will reach the ends of the graveyard.
It will bury its sons in open country
generation after generation,
and it will forgive its despot . . . .
It will not be the Iraq that once held the name.
And the larks will not sing.
So walk — if you wish — a long time.
And call — if you wish —
on all the world's angels
and all its demons.
Call on the bulls of Assyria .
Call on a westward phoenix . . . .
Call them
and through the haze of phantoms
watch for miracles to emerge
from clouds of incense.
© Saadi Youssef (Irak)
At 8:14 PM,
Annie
And what was russia at that time? Russia was a communist country, russia was ruling not only its own people but ukrainians, people of baltic republics, chechens and indirectly other people of soviet blocs. Russia did not even called itself russia and her people willingly supported politics of murder and mayhem and in return they had power over ethnically non-russian people.
Only when their economy got bad and they could no longer support themselves from imports from other soviet block countries they realized that communism is baaad. Even now many russian people admire Stalin and rarely if at all russians there talk about the crimes of Stalin.
If "real communists" (that's what russian communists called themselves) were mainly russians, who are jihadists? Did you ever heard of any jihadist who was non-muslim?
Not all arabs are muslims but all jihadists are muslims.
You wish to get news from Ramadi....ramadi faluja'ed. I do not wish to get this kind of news.
The news I would like to hear is the news which would tell me that sunni stopped killing shia and shia stopped killing sunni, that random violence finally stopped. I like to hear the news that women can wear what they want to wear regardless of their religion and that men can wear shorts. That As Sadr will stop saying that football is not the game for good muslims. I wish I could hear that sunni in Basra could go safely to their mosques. That shia in Khadimiya do not need to patrol their district looking for the suicide bombers and check religious denomination of people who come to visit Khadimiya.
That's the news I would like to hear.
I do not wish to get this kind of news.
you know exactly what i meant, do not twist my meaning.
To many people in Ramadi, the writing is on the wall.
"The image pieced together from interviews with tribal sheiks and fleeing families is one of a desperate population of 400,000 people trapped in the crossfire between anti-American insurgents and U.S. forces. Food and medical supplies are running low, prices for gas have soared because of shortages, and municipal services have ground to a stop.
Thousands of families remain trapped in the city, those who have fled say. Many can't afford to leave, or they lack transportation, and other families decided to wait for their children to finish final examinations at school before escaping.
"The situation is catastrophic. No services, no electricity, no water," said Sheik Fassal Guood, the former governor of Ramadi. "People in Ramadi are caught between two plagues: the vicious, armed insurgents and the American and Iraqi troops."
At 9:26 PM,
No, Annie, I do not twist your words. You mentioned propaganda before and said
"you've got to be kidding me, as if we could forget. the propaganda is never ending. "
Now you cite an article from LA Times, main stream newspaper. Furthermore, you are forgetting in your quotation to mention that
"The largest city in the Sunni-dominated Anbar province, Ramadi has degenerated into a nest for insurgents. Even now, when U.S. forces are working to scale back their visibility throughout Iraq, daily combat continues to seethe in Ramadi..........The national Ministry of Displacement and Migration has tried repeatedly to ship medical and food aid into Ramadi, but it has been thwarted by insurgent attacks, an official there said. In recent weeks, the government has managed to get a single shipment of aid into Ramadi."
That quote is also from the same article.
You said you pay " millions and millions of the tax payers money on fake news both in the US and Iraq"
Hmm..........no news about Ramadi in main stream newspapers? Millions of dollars paid by US taxpayers, therefore by you, for fake news (otherwise why object to it)? Why don't you ask yourself, if these news in LA Times are, perhaps, a fake news too.
Fortunately for me I am not a US taxpayer, so I do not pay for fake news. ;-))
you're relentless ella, what bones you pick . i forgot nothing. it is a long article . i purposely chose 3 paragraphs that shed no blame, focusing on the victims. you on the other hand chose to cherry pick lines that support one viewpoint that seems to justify your position of who equals evil. give it a rest. i am smarter than your petty trap.
this is a solem time to respect the victims here. the one's suffering. are yu implying the choice i made in the copy are the portions of the articles we are to question. just say it.
of course we do not know what to believe, just like in fallujah. i notice you didn't cherrypick the segment about us forces not allowing journalist into the city.
i could have linked to much more damaging information. are you daring me. do you really want to go down this road
"Islam Memo: (Tuesday June 6, 2006 at night) "The American occupation forces have besieged the city of Ramadi from all sides, including the Euphrates river and the Warrar irrigation canal.
The occupation forces have dispersed hundreds of American soldiers around Ramadi and have prevented any entry or exit from it. It has also cut off all electricity supplies to the city as well as drinking water facilities and has closed down all petrol stations.
The Islam Memo correspondent reported that the occupation forces have shelled medical supply stores, closed down all medical clinics and confiscated all medical supplies therein.
Jet fighters have been streaming over the city, as well as helicopters.
Three Islam Memo correspondents have dispersed throughout the city in order to continue to relay the news of the impeding offensive."
and why is it that we here of these huge offensives from blogs first, its almost as if we didn't have our alternative news sources we may not even hear. i'm not sorry for questioning. excuse me for relying on foriegn blogs when i have to hear of these attacks the next day. not like its a friggin road side bomb.
so I do not pay for fake news. ;-))
wipe that smile off your face, we all suffer for it whether we pay for it or not, fool
.
At 9:40 AM,
Annie,
Wow, you say that we don't have a fair and balanced media, but your quick to qoute the Islam Memo. This is irony at its best. Maybe you would care to see what the state department has to say about the Islam Memo.
http://usinfo.state.gov/media/Archive/2005/Apr/08-205989.html
But then again how can we believe the state department?
At 10:56 AM,
"wipe that smile off your face, we all suffer for it whether we pay for it or not,"
Interesting and how do you suffer for it Annie? You are living and studying in USA, nobody is putting you into prison for your anti-war activities or opinions, you can go to all anti-war rallies, you can call Bush a terrorist without any implication for your future. If you are a student you probably do not pay much in taxes. So how do you personally suffer?
"this is a solem time to respect the victims here. the one's suffering. "
There are no solemn times to respect victims, particulary if the victims are jihadists
I am angry at perpetrators of terror in Baghdad, in Kadhimiya, in Adhamiya, in Sadr City,I am sad because people are dying from random violence, from bombs put there by their co-patriots. And, yes, I am sometimes angry at americans if they kill innocent people but I am never angry at people who kill those who perpetrate terror
I am angry but never solemn.
Solemnity I leave for people who think that attrocities are usually committed by their compatriots, who seem to think that american main-stream newspapers and television often lie, but all others, like Islam Memo do not................ .
fool
Hmm.........no reasonable answer, calling names.
There are two nice saying of prophet Isa which I think will suffice for an answer:
"Don't judge, so that you won't be judged "
"Why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?"
[anon] “Maybe you would care to see what the state department has to say about the Islam Memo.”
I just want to clarify some things here. Is this the same State Department that swore on it’s mothers grave and hope to die … that Iraq had thousands of tons of chemical weapons precursors and warheads scattered all over Iraq? I just want to make sure that your source is credible.
[ella] “I am angry at perpetrators of terror in Baghdad, in Kadhimiya, in Adhamiya, in Sadr City,I am sad because people are dying from random violence, from bombs put there by their co-patriots.”
Hmm. So in other words, if I ever get buried by an avalanche, I should be angry at the snow and rocks, and not at the idiot that set off the avalanche with a stick of dynamite? The US set off the avalanche in Iraq and it is directly responsible for the consequences. People get invaded, people fight back. Who is to blame? The invader or the defender? I pick the invader.
At 4:55 AM,
Well Bruno,
This will be the last we hear from you, unless you dodge the question. The Islam Memo is full of crap. It doesn't take the state department to prove that.
But maybe you could kindly prove to me that the Islam Memo is fair and truthfull? Tell me how we can't believe Fox News, but then we have to take the Islam Memo word for word?
Annie shut up after I pointed this out to her. Please tell me how honest and respectful the Islam Memo is.
All I'm saying if we're gonna use information that it come from a fair and honest source.
[anon] “But maybe you could kindly prove to me that the Islam Memo is fair and truthfull? Tell me how we can't believe Fox News, but then we have to take the Islam Memo word for word?”
Who ever said that Islam Memo was a cast iron source of information? Some of what they say IS reality-based. The assault on Ramadi clearly reflects the situation on the ground there, given that other sources have corroborated these reports. Other ‘news’ by them is clearly fantasy, such as the amount of US casualties they claim in Iraq.
[anon] “Annie shut up after I pointed this out to her.”
Uh, no, Annie had bigger fish to fry in the next comments section. Really, you read too much into your comment.
[anon] “All I'm saying if we're gonna use information that it come from a fair and honest source.”
And all I’m saying is that the State Department is the *origin* of the US disinformation and lies, and that they are hardly fair, or honest.
At 5:57 PM,
Donnt go, Annie! you do good work here..
By the instance, weapons were from before 1991 ...
New intel report reignites Iraq arms fight By KATHERINE SHRADER, Associated Press Writer
1 hour, 23 minutes ago
Hundreds of chemical weapons found in Iraq were produced before the 1991 Gulf War and probably are so old they couldn't be used as designed, intelligence officials said Thursday.
Two lawmakers — Sen. Rick Santorum (news, bio, voting record), R-Pa., and House Intelligence Chairman Peter Hoekstra, R-Mich. — on Wednesday circulated a one-page summary of a military intelligence report that says coalition forces have recovered about 500 munitions with mustard or sarin agents, and more could be discovered around Iraq. "We now have found stockpiles," Santorum asserted.
But intelligence officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the subject's sensitive nature, said the weapons were produced before the 1991 Gulf War and there is no evidence to date of chemical munitions manufactured since then. They said an assessment of the weapons concluded they are so degraded that they couldn't now be used as designed.
They probably would have been intended for chemical attacks during the Iran-Iraq War, said David Kay, who headed the U.S. weapons-hunting team in Iraq from 2003 until early 2004.
He said experts on Iraq's chemical weapons are in "almost 100 percent agreement" that sarin nerve agent produced from the 1980s would no longer be dangerous.
"It is less toxic than most things that Americans have under their kitchen sink at this point," Kay said.
And any of Iraq's 1980s-era mustard would produce burns, but it is unlikely to be lethal, Kay said.
Asked about the potential danger to U.S. troops, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said: "They are weapons of mass destruction. They are harmful to human beings. And they have been found."
The newly declassified military intelligence report was released Wednesday by National Intelligence Director John Negroponte. Santorum and Hoekstra had urged him to release report this week during congressional debates on Iraq.
The senior Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee questioned the timing of the report's release. "What worries me is that the intelligence community — Ambassador Negroponte in particular — may be playing a partisan role in the 2006 election," California Rep. Jane Harman (news, bio, voting record) said.
Hoekstra said the document is not a "smoking gun." But he hinted that the chemical agents could be significant because they may have been added to the discovered artillery shells after the first Gulf War. He noted that one of the declassified findings says the munitions could be lethal.
"David Kay says anything produced prior to 1991 is not lethal anymore, so what is the discrepancy here?" Hoekstra said. "I am 100 percent sure if David Kay had the opportunity to look at the reports that describe these things, he would agree with the finding that ... these things are lethal and deadly," Hoekstra said.
Intelligence officials said the munitions were found in ones, twos and maybe slightly larger collections over the past couple of years. One official conceded that these pre-Gulf War weapons did not pose a threat to the U.S. military before the 2003 invasion of Iraq. They were not maintained or part of any organized program run by Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein.
There is no evidence that insurgents have found the chemical munitions. But one official said that insurgents have improvised conventional weapons, so they could apply similar creativity with the vintage weapons.
Mazgawf Iraqi
ella, you are so full of shit. you no nothing about me. you assume i am a student? you assume i have no family in the military. you have no right to ask me how i suffer. all america suffers from war. my personal suffering is none of your business. " If you are a student you probably do not pay much in taxes.". who the f do you think you are talking to? "this is a solem time to respect the victims here. the one's suffering. " ramadi is a city w/over 400,000 people."thousands of families" "the situation is catastrophic" those are the victims i am referring to, the people we came to 'liberate'. if you have no grief for the victims in this war, the citizens most of whom do not want war, do not want to participate in this war, does it offend you that i believe most of the 26 million people in iraq want the good things in life just like you and me, that most people on this globe have goodness in their hearts. when we here of a battle starting, can we not feel pain for the citizens,
There are no solemn times to respect victims, particulary if the victims are jihadists
how cold you are. you should feel ashamed. does it please you to think my idea of victim are jihadists.
you say "I am sad because people are dying from random violence" sad but not solem is that it. just arguing for arguments sake, what bs you spew.
this will be the second time i explain myself to you, that you spin and twist my words. i ask if anyone heard any news out of iraq. i had read islam memo, w/grain of salt, i did not post it at that time, i posted the part of the la times that spoke very generally about the conditions on the ground. the city surrounded. fighting between anti american insurgents and americans. i pass no judgement on this, merely what is heard. you attack me and my source and i place an example of what i could have posted, a very one sided view , prefaced w/"i could have linked to much more damaging information. are you daring me. do you really want to go down this road"
then you imply " Solemnity I leave for people who think that attrocities are usually committed by their compatriots, who seem to think that american main-stream newspapers and television often lie, but all others, like Islam Memo do not................ . up yours word twister
i know what propaganda is, media is written by humans, they all have agendas and over 90 journalists have died in this war. "Don't judge, so that you won't be judged "
take your own advice, you are certainly no less critical than me. you harp harp harp.you call me a fool and then lecture me about calling names in the next sentence, what a joke . hypocrite.
i purposely chose 3 paragraphs that shed no blame, focusing on the victims. you on the other hand chose to cherry pick lines that support one viewpoint that seems to justify your position of who equals evil. give it a rest. i am smarter than your petty trap.
get off my back bitch, you accuse me of judging? here's who i have no problem judging, people who get paid to hang out on blogs and incite animosity, people like you . tool
ps solumn(according to oxford dictionary)
Deeply earnest, serious, and sober.
Somberly or gravely impressive. See synonyms at serious.
Performed with full ceremony: a solemn High Mass.
Invoking the force of religion; sacred: a solemn vow.
ella:" I am angry but never solemn. "
wow, i'll remember that ella. about war and battle, you are never solumn
It is sorry to hear such a sad history.
I wish people would live without history more.
The west motivates itself for religious crusade, and speaks from a position of disrespect.
And now they tell us, you too do.
(like i really don't know wich side rapes woman and girls more often, but its horrible here, so i guess it's crappy with you too)
Religion isn't a solution for anything, because the world is in turmoil and the religions are old.
(the alternative is theoretical anarchism and solidarity in boykotting the countless exploiters, plus working for the common causes of mankind, but alla)
Religion is a cry for hope , that wouldnt have such a strong call if the partner to deliberate a future could be any of your neighbours.
And who am i to say so.
A true religion has no respect for deity but for future. (now that reminds me of theoretical anarchism:)
You people shouldnt get yourself into this clash with another.
It's a horrible thing. Although from what i read between the lines it appears several militant groups consider this bloodshed as helpfull in outing the usians i dont believe so.
It is only just what they want, and the blown up event media event of the golden mosque, seems a fake of machiavellian divide et impera kind.
Just stop it. Don't kill another, if u need to fight , fight , but formulate a civil strategy for your people to ignore the fascism out of your states again.
Like hamas i fear when you do a rigorous control of the polls irak will loose financial support and options, stop blaming iran, it sure tries to advocate the idea of muslim souvereignety. That was a horrible war. But we stupid people believed the west tales of freedom and got you killed.
im sorry.
The next problem is the new police... this is such a harsh problem i get my fairytale solution syndrome. But perhaps it will be better when things calm down a bit, and (since i hope they are not shia dominated militia)
are they? , anyway, these people may also opt for safety for irakis.